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center33

FHL Expansion 2018-2019 & beyond??

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54 minutes ago, TroopSupporter42069 said:

I have heard the same thing, with rumor being that the 2nd team is in New York, though no specifics on what city in NY that might be, but I'd guess Elmira based on their past negotiations with the FHL.

Wow- what a drop from the ECHL to the F(P)HL!

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34 minutes ago, PlannedObsolescence said:

Wow- what a drop from the ECHL to the F(P)HL!

I mean, there's nowhere else they could go if they want pro hockey. It's FHL or nothing. Truthfully, that arena and market would be better of with something like the NAHL than the FHL, but I guess with the NAHL moving into Jamestown, that rules out that ever happening. That and with the arena being privately owned, I'm sure they want something in there so it doesn't sit completely empty throughout the winter.

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It's funny that everyone talks about the FHL... but the players go from the FHL to the SPHL and be top players in that league. But yet the FHL isn't good hockey. It's a joke really like half the people on here that knows everything..lol. Just keep beating that dead horse while the league goes into it's 10th year and beyond.

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@center33: I think you're missing the point of the majority of the posters in this & related threads on this Board.  It's not the FHL players that most of us criticize; it's the League decision makers who continue to dupe naive community leaders & team investors year after year.  The FHL's 8-season dumpster fire (2018=19 will be their 9th if this summer is kind to them) has been fueled by the remains of markets & owners & fans desperate for a pro hockey team to call their own.  Many players have been burned along the way as well, but some have escaped and found ways to continue to play & entertain us with their skills.  The survivors are few, though, while the likes of Kirnan & Soskin & "Sarge" fan the embers to spread them to new dry fields every season. evil2.gif

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48 minutes ago, center33 said:

But yet the FHL isn't good hockey.

Nobody's said anything about the quality of play in the FHL. And some players, good and otherwise, go back and forth between the two leagues with a handful even making it to the ECHL. But you can't deny the FHL business model is a joke. Not the least of which is exemplified by league-wide average attendance in the high 700's the last few seasons.

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16 hours ago, MacGuy said:

Nobody's said anything about the quality of play in the FHL. And some players, good and otherwise, go back and forth between the two leagues with a handful even making it to the ECHL. But you can't deny the FHL business model is a joke. Not the least of which is exemplified by league-wide average attendance in the high 700's the last few seasons.

But that is the league model. To go to these smaller arenas and get 700-1000 people per game. That's the way the business model is set up, so smaller communities can have a Pro team of there own to root for. Now some of the things that has took place in the league over the years has been quite questionable, but a lot of that is getting or has gotten ironed out. Also with new administration people helping the league now, that's bringing in new owners. This league is NOT trying to be the SPHL nor does it want to be. This league is made to have a low budget operation so 800-1000 fans can maintain the team. Plus it's a nice feeder league for the S & E.

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Elmira's First Arena may get Federal Hockey League team

By Jeff Murray - Elmira Star-Gazette

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Professional hockey may be making a return to Elmira if Chemung County officials are able to clinch a deal with someone who has a long history with the First Arena and its former hockey team.

The Chemung County Industrial Development Agency, which owns the arena, is in negotiations with former arena General Manager Robbie Nichols to take over management of the facility again and to bring a Federal Hockey League team to town.

Nichols, who owns the Elmira Pioneers of the Perfect Game Collegiate Baseball League, was affiliated with First Arena for seven years until around 2011.

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Nichols is confident he can help revitalize the arena with an eye toward eventually purchasing the facility.

Nichols, who owns the rights to a Federal Hockey League team, said if negotiations go well, he's ready to bring hockey back to Elmira by this fall.

First Arena seats 3,794 for hockey - a little more than the Winston-Salem Fairgrounds Annex, home of the Carolina Thunderbirds - the only FHL team to average more than 1,000 in attendance last season.

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On 6/24/2018 at 8:28 AM, center33 said:

But that is the league model. To go to these smaller arenas and get 700-1000 people per game. That's the way the business model is set up, so smaller communities can have a Pro team of there own to root for. Now some of the things that has took place in the league over the years has been quite questionable, but a lot of that is getting or has gotten ironed out. Also with new administration people helping the league now, that's bringing in new owners. This league is NOT trying to be the SPHL nor does it want to be. This league is made to have a low budget operation so 800-1000 fans can maintain the team. Plus it's a nice feeder league for the S & E.

Yes that's the league model, but it's still bad when the league can't find six teams who can consistently get 700 to 1000 people. I agree that it's good that the FHL is the only chance some towns have at a pro hockey team, but 700+ fans is not a lot, and to not be able to find six teams that can consistently do that is what people point to. Why go to these towns of less than 10,000 people with a rink that might have 800 seats like they have in the past? That's the criticism. I love the FHL business model as an idea and giving towns that chance, but in the past the league has done such a bad job of vetting potential owners, they take their expansion fee check first and then toss them into the ocean hoping they can swim. Hopefully that changes with the two rumored additions and the demise of North Shore, and particularly with Scott Brand helping them out.

Truthfully, I think the bigger issue is so many teams just don't market their product. They just put a team down and think that fans will show up because, hockey! And while there are fans who will do that, you need to get the team out there and have fun nights to draw people in. And that takes money, which, clearly a lot of past owners did not have.

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On 6/7/2018 at 7:04 AM, JMC-STL said:

Been there many times.  Nice?  Sure.  Oz?  Not even close.

you've really been to Niceville?

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1 hour ago, Displaced Floridian said:

you've really been to Niceville?

@Displaced Floridian: Many times over many years.  Still have some good friends living there.  If you're ever near 3rd Planet Brewing, stop in for a brew & tell them John from St. Louis sent you. 

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22 hours ago, Make Marky GM said:

Making that slip-up even more awkward? Sounds like Elmira doesn't even have a deal in place for a team yet, and faces a deadline of Wednesday afternoon this week.

https://busleaguehockey.com/2018/07/09/local-reports-elmira-faces-wednesday-deadline-for-fhl-team/

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On 6/7/2018 at 1:15 PM, MacGuy said:

Where are you going to find a 13' hockey stick?

Chara?

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6 hours ago, TroopSupporter42069 said:

Making that slip-up even more awkward? Sounds like Elmira doesn't even have a deal in place for a team yet, and faces a deadline of Wednesday afternoon this week.

https://busleaguehockey.com/2018/07/09/local-reports-elmira-faces-wednesday-deadline-for-fhl-team/

The FHL's theme song ...

 

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To read more https://busleaguehockey.com/2018/07/13/how-do-elmiras-ticket-prices-stack-up-to-the-rest-of-the-fhl/

The yet-to-be-named Elmira team has hit the ground running, with the ownership group yesterday announcing that season tickets were already on-sale, and our friend Andy Malnoske getting a hold of the sheet, which revealed the prices for early birds, regular season prices, and walk-up prices.

If you’re having trouble reading that, here’s how the prices stack up, price per game is at 30 games as their form indicates.

Early-Bird (By Sept. 1)

Restaurant: $510 ($17 per game at 28 games)
Center Ice: $390 ($13 per game)
Blue End Zone: $330 ($11 per game)
Red End Zone: $270 ($9 per game)

Regular Price

Restaurant: $540 ($18 per game)
Center Ice: $420 ($14 per game)
Blue End Zone: $360 ($12 per game)
Red End Zone: $300 ($10 per game)

Walk-Up Prices

Restaurant: $20
Center Ice: $16
Blue End Zone: $14
Red End Zone: $12

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Those seem...high. I guess the prices if you're an early-bird aren't terrible (I'd be curious to know if the restaurant seat includes food), but walking up, $16 for a decent seat for that league is more than I'd realistically be willing to pay.I think they're probably about $2-3 high for each seat on the walk-up prices.

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$21 Center Ice ticket Fayetteville ...... $16 Center Ice seat in Elmira

$15 UPPER Endzone ($21 lower endzone) ticket ..... $14 reg endzone seat 

 

So you are saying that Elmira seems high? lol

 

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7 minutes ago, center33 said:

$21 Center Ice ticket Fayetteville ...... $16 Center Ice seat in Elmira

$15 UPPER Endzone ($21 lower endzone) ticket ..... $14 reg endzone seat 

 

So you are saying that Elmira seems high? lol

 

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I found out at meet and greet the other night that these season tickets include two playoff tickets for the 18-19 season.

Also I'd take a guess with the new scoreboard, that may be a reason it went up a few dollars.

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37 minutes ago, center33 said:

$21 Center Ice ticket Fayetteville ...... $16 Center Ice seat in Elmira

$15 UPPER Endzone ($21 lower endzone) ticket ..... $14 reg endzone seat 

 

So you are saying that Elmira seems high? lol

 

Seat-Map.jpg

For FHL yes. Look at the article, every ticket price for every section, with the exception of the restaurant seat, is the most expensive in the league. And their season ticket prices for center, ends, other end, are higher than any other team. Yes, in the grand scheme of things and compared to SPHL it's not expensive, but compared to the other four FHL teams, their prices are high.

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